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"Margin Of Error" (marginoferror) 12/03/2014 at 11:16 • Filed to: ACURA, CANADA, LUXURY

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So it seems that some fellow Opponauts are not as car savvy as they should.

This is not an Honda Civic with an Acura grille, it's a proper Acura. Model name is 1.6 EL. It was a Canadian exclusivity. It's a sport sedan that was competing against the E46 BMW 320i.

The more you know, I guess.

CB > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:18

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It's on those kinds of posts where the Canadian Opponauts out themselves.

For Sweden > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:21

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Proper Acura

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:21

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"The more you know, I guess , eh "
FTFY

FromCanadaWithLove > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:23

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The states didn't get the CSX either, correct? Funny how when the Canadian exclusive cars stopped, Acura's cool factor plummeted.

(Edit: I'm not saying the CSX was cool, however.)

TheHondaBro > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:23

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You call THAT a proper Acura?

THIS is a proper Acura.

OPPOsaurus WRX > CB 12/03/2014 at 11:24

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Textured Soy Protein > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:24

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Yes, it's basically the predecessor to the ILX, just exclusive to Canuckistan.

I would hardly call it a legitimate competitor to a 3-series though.

Twism > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:25

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Technically, the EL IS a Civic with a acura grille; since it was a rebadged Civic with the D16 mill.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:26

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While you are right in that this was an Acura, lets call it for what it really is. A Civic with Accord taillights and Acura headlamps.

Margin Of Error > TheHondaBro 12/03/2014 at 11:26

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Damn right

This too:

CB > OPPOsaurus WRX 12/03/2014 at 11:26

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Clearly fake. No snow and the pants are missing the yellow stripe, as well as being the wrong colour.

Thunderface > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:27

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My family has once

It's surprisingly good

Party-vi > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:30

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It's literally a rebadged Civic.

OPPOsaurus WRX > TheHondaBro 12/03/2014 at 11:30

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What would you call this (besides the obvious)

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:31

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yes very much yes! it's on of my favorite acura's next to the integra type R and NSX. This is a proper business man coupe.

Milky > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:32

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On the same note, this is a proper Oldsmobile. Gave the X3 a run for its money.

Textured Soy Protein > TheHondaBro 12/03/2014 at 11:32

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Except when it was in Japan.

(Japan didn't like the bugeye headlights so after a couple years Honda made the front end more normal for them.)

Margin Of Error > Thunderface 12/03/2014 at 11:33

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I had one for a couple of year. I liked it a lot.

Luxurious, sporty and good looking.

Milky > OPPOsaurus WRX 12/03/2014 at 11:33

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I'd call it not real.

HammerheadFistpunch > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:34

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Oye, even without calling out the person by name, we don't take arguments with other oppo people or people anywhere in gawker and post new posts to continue the argument, even for Canadians, it is not done. No action today but be aware in the future.

RazoE > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:35

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It's not Canadian Exclusive as it's sold as the Honda Domani and the Isuzu Gemini in Japan. It is a rebadged civic.

RazoE > FromCanadaWithLove 12/03/2014 at 11:36

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We did. It's called the Civic. The CSX is the same as the Civic, but with the JDM body panels instead.

Margin Of Error > HammerheadFistpunch 12/03/2014 at 11:38

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OK understood, I just wanted to set the record straight. I didn't want to offend anyone, and if I did, I'm sincerely sorry.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Thunderface > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:38

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I wouldn't say sporty

Or luxurious

It's kinda good looking

TheHondaBro > OPPOsaurus WRX 12/03/2014 at 11:38

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Is the obvious 'vapor'?

With-a-G is back to not having anything written after his username > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:39

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By "competing against the E46 320i," you mean, "was hoped by at least one person at Honda to be cross-shopped against the E46 320i."

CB > Milky 12/03/2014 at 11:39

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Who in the hell designed that front end?

HammerheadFistpunch > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:40

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Don't sweat it, you certainly weren't a dick about it, just FYI for the future.

OPPOsaurus WRX > TheHondaBro 12/03/2014 at 11:40

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i was wondering which way you would go with it

TheHondaBro > OPPOsaurus WRX 12/03/2014 at 11:43

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Vapor.

Margin Of Error > Milky 12/03/2014 at 11:43

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You mean it gave the X5 a ride for its money. The Bravada became the Saab 9-7x after the unfortunate demise of Oldsmobile.

Milky > CB 12/03/2014 at 11:44

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Using the word "designed" is giving who ever did it a lot of credit.

Margin Of Error > Twism 12/03/2014 at 11:46

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I do not agree, but your are entitle to your own opinions., or in common parlance around these parts, oppopinions :-)

S62B50daily > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:46

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It's a sport sedan that was competing against the E46 BMW 320i

As we all know: 127HP FWD > 150-170HP RWD

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Textured Soy Protein 12/03/2014 at 11:51

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The Honda version Integra NEVER had bug eyed headlights ever. Only the Acura version had the bugeyes. The picture you posted is an early Type R(it had 4 bolt lugs rather than the later 5 bolt lugs) and it has the "normal" lights.

But in saying all this the Honda Acura was always way nicer looking than the Acura Integra.

Milky > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:53

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At least they changed the interior for the Saab though. But you're right, I always thought the X5 was bigger but after looking at lengths on wiki, that doesn't seem to be the case.

I will say though, the generation I posted was 10 inches shorter than the one you posted and it felt tiny on the inside. Which is why I said X3.

pdubizon > Thunderface 12/03/2014 at 11:56

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It's an Accord wearing a cheap suit. It looked pretty slick in 1996 when it debuted, but I wouldn't go so far as calling it luxurious.

The ITR, on the other hand, was glorious. Easily the most entertaining of anything I've ever driven. A buddy owned a '00 since new until '09, when some asshole stole it out of the driveway the one night he had forgotten to put it in the garage. They recovered the bare shell a week later, with literally everything gone. They even took all the glass(the ITR glass was thinner than standard Integras to save weight). I wouldn't even own one because you are almost guaranteed to have it stolen.

Margin Of Error > Milky 12/03/2014 at 11:58

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Yeah, but if BMW had made an X5 at that time, it would have been similar in size.

Model bloat...

Raphmoe > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 11:58

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i think that is a civic

Margin Of Error > S62B50daily 12/03/2014 at 12:01

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Ok, now what about the weight. The E46 was well known to be overweight.

Milky > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 12:06

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Actually they both became fatties.

X5: 1st gen - 183in / 2nd gen - 191in

Bravada: 2nd gen - 180in / 3rd gen - 191

I actually learned something on oppo today …. unfortunately its about two cars I couldn't care less about.

RallyWrench > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 12:13

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I saw one of those up Canuckistan way once, and had to double take before I realized it was actually an Acura model & not an Autozone job.

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 12:19

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If we go by the way it is in Japan, there is no Acura, there is only Honda.

Twism > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 12:21

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except it's not an opinion, it's a fact:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acura_EL

''The EL is a rebadged Honda Civic with a higher level of features.''

It was built at the Alliston plant (where the Civic was made), and everything up to the front end was identical.

Even the dash was the same, except that the EL has fake wood to cover the plastic, but they shared the same steering.

Hell, even Honda was happy to refer to the EL's 'long-standing heritage as the best-selling car in Canada for X years'', which meant the Civic.

Margin Of Error > Twism 12/03/2014 at 12:24

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Just look at the seats

Makoyouidiot > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 12:30

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I wouldn't really call it an opinion, since it's kinda a fact. Kinda like how my Fiat 500 is a Punto underneath, but with a sexier body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acura_EL

http://www.civicforums.com/forums/3-gener…

spanfucker retire bitch > TheHondaBro 12/03/2014 at 12:32

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And these days it always seem to be driven by complete assholes. Like the dumbass woman who was tailgating me last night on the highway in freezing rain.

Saracen > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 12:36

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Honda. Acura. Same thing.

Textured Soy Protein > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 12/03/2014 at 12:38

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Sorry, but I'm right .

Honda debuted the third generation model in 1993 in Japan at Honda Verno locations. Acura followed in 1994. It had an unusual four headlight front end design which was dubbed "bug eyes" by some enthusiasts. Standard power (in Japan) from the B18B engine increased to 142 hp (105.9 kW). In the U.S., the B18B1 produced slightly less power due to a lower compression ratio (emissions related).The top model was known in Japan as "Si", and it was powered by a B18C engine with a power of 178 PS (131 kW; 176 hp) vtec . The bug eye headlights proved unpopular so the Integra was revised in 1996 with only minor cosmetic updates including elongated flat headlights and an optional bodykit, the top model was relabeled the Integra SiR.

And some photographic evidence:

Margin Of Error > Milky 12/03/2014 at 12:40

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My pleasure !

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Textured Soy Protein 12/03/2014 at 12:48

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Well look at that! You learn something new everyday. My bad. But I am right that there was never Bugeyed Honda Integra Type-R

Twism > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 13:20

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...Which are standard Si seats covered in leather instead of fabric:

MonkeePuzzle > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 14:21

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well.... different hood, front and rear bumpers, headlights, grill, front fenders, upgraded seats and fabrics, slightly different lower dash portion, and dash available in black (only way to get a type R black dash in LHD), but... it's basically a civic :P I want one hardcore!

MonkeePuzzle > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 14:25

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Honda Domani?

Isuzu Gemini?

MonkeePuzzle > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 14:27

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wha wha whaaaaa? :P

MonkeePuzzle > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 14:29

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and just to make it all far too confusing, a custom bumper with EL upper part with a lower EK bumper melded together.

MonkeePuzzle > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 14:31

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and some pure sex. Acura EL front end with DC5 recaros, k-series swap, and EK BYS bumper custom molded to fit the EL/Domani front end.

jkm7680 > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 15:46

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Soooo, a fancy Civic.

Dasupersprint - base trim is enough > Margin Of Error 12/03/2014 at 20:11

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Important: This is a Mustang GT. It is not based on the same platform as the Mustang V6. It's a bespoke unibody, interior, everything. It's competing with the Ferrari F12 and Lamborghini Aventador. The more you know...

Seriously, the EL is a Civic. The panels, the interior are interchangeable. I often see Civic hatchbacks with EL fronts. The Cavalier-Sunfire brothers were more different than the Civic-EL.

Margin Of Error > Dasupersprint - base trim is enough 12/03/2014 at 20:16

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I never been rude with you :-(

Sweet Trav > Margin Of Error 12/04/2014 at 14:23

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What about the CSX?

Margin Of Error > Sweet Trav 12/04/2014 at 14:30

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The CSX came later and only lasted for one generation., but it was a very good sport sedan.